Refferee Camp

How to be sure that the ref isn’t drunk nor high, looks more appropriate.
I know it is a joke from Momo but adding a topic on that coulf be a good Idea.
We go hard on every topic but we are still a sport that can be played drunk or on drug …
It’s always weird (to me at least) to see a ref doing his job with his 3rd beer.

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I am very guilty of drinking one beer per game reffed. Best to catch me early in the day.

Topics like “hand signals” will get added to broader ideas like " Communication skills".
Such a topic would include score keeping, hand signals, whistle blowing, calling out time remaining, eye contact, goal ref management, pre-game captain talks, talking to players while ball is in play, over-communicating, under-communicating…etc.

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Initial draft. Il a beaucoup d’amélioration a faire.

  1. Déontologie
    -Purpose of the ref
    -Responsibilites
    -Priorities
    -How to be consistent
    -Respecting teams and players
    -Spirit of the game
    -Philosophy of fairness
    -Baises in reffing
    -Ref fitness (substance consumption)
  2. Communication
    -verbal
    -whistling
    -hand signals
    -body language: eye-contact
    -Communicating important aspects of the game: time remaining, goal scored, joust, restart procedure, fouls, end of match, advantage
  3. Fouls
    -Overview of fouls
    -How to identify them
    -Procedure when a foul is committed.
    -Fouls during advantage
    -Fouls when the ball is not in play
    -Severity of fouls
    -Trifling fouls (fouls you don’t call)
  4. Time Management
    -Restart procedure
    -Time-out procedure
    -Getting games started
    -Delegating time management to assistant ref.
    -Fudging the time (forgetting to stop/start time)
    -Impact of time remaining
    -Procedure for late teams/players
  5. Equipment & Conditions
    -Inspecting the court
    -Enforcing equipment regulations
    -The Ref’s equipment
    • Coordinating with tournament hosts concerning special conditions, rules, and tournament formats
  6. Confrontations & Crowds
    -Spectator’s impact on a match and reffing
    -Procedure for confrontations between players
    -Procedure for confrontations with refs
    -Pro-active approaches to maintaining fairness and fluidity
    -Aggressive players
    -Retaliation
    -Reffing “big matches”
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Hi, great project ! thanks !

sorry I can’t tick any boxes of this poll as February > April is a tough random weekends-work period for me, but if free, i’m in.

I would also very much encourage my newb / intermediate club mate, because knowing how to ref is reading and understanding the game, and understanding the game is improving your play, IMO.

if you get better at reffing, you get better at playing.

didn’t quite get the exam thing tho… would the refs be reffed ?

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Great initiative!!! I would love to go as well.

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We’re imagining a written exam, maybe some multiple choice questions. Fill in the blank questions etc.

Exempli gratia:

Player A has possession with advantage, player B completes a t-bone foul on player A, player A maintains possession and shoots on-frame, the ball deflects off of player C in the crease. What is the proper course of action.
A) Re-joust
B) Restart & player A’s team gets possession
C) Restart, player A’s team gets possession and player B has a 30 second penalty
D) Restart for A’s team, starting with advantage

Ideally we will create this exam with software so that you can “take the test” with your phone.

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Existe-il des volontaires qui seraient intéressés par le projet ci-dessous?

Création d’un livret des règles de bike polo.

Quel que chose de beau! Avec des photos et des dessins techniques, et de l’art, et des couleurs!

Taille A4 pour etre facilement transporté par le/la ref perspicace.

Un livret si complet que, quelque’un qui n’a jamais vue joué le polo pourrais quand-même le comprendre, et commencer son club.

Perso je veut le faire imprimer en masse et les laisser trainer partout dans les chiottes des cyclo-cafés.

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I’d love to come… :thinking:

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2025 is around the corner! Soon we’ll make an official post with some preliminary details!

Date, format, etc.

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Bordeaux BikePolo will be hosting the Referee Camp
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Friday the 16th, until Sunday the 18th of May!

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The Club will be hosting 24 participants. Inscription will be approximately 20€. Three nights in Bordeaux, breakfast & lunch on sat/Sun.

BBP is searching for 6 attendees that are competent refs in their respective polo communities, interested in making a 30min~1hr long presentation on a particular aspect of reffing. (see previous posts)
Their Inscription fees will be waived.

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Need to get @davidv back for this IMO, he was definitely a competent ref.

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This is latest version of the 6 presentation subjects. Please feel free to share your comments and critiques

Déontologie:
-Purpose of the ref
-Powers
-Priorities
-Responsibilities
-Respecting teams, players, organizers
-Fitness

Communication:
-Verbal
-Whistle
-Hand signals
-Procedures for;
°Joust
°Goal scored/restart
°End of match
°Advantage

Fouls:
-The spirit and history of the rules
-Recognition techniques
-Procedure for making a call
-Time penalties
-Severe fouls
-Trifling fouls
-Fouls during advantage
-Team captain’s fouls

Time Management:
-The big picture. How much time in a weekend?
-The impact of time remaining
-Communicating time remaining
-Keeping time, ball in play/out of play
-Rolls of the assistant ref
-Wasted and lost time

Team Referee: Safety and Equipment
-Spirit/history of the Equipment Laws
-Inspecting the court
-Tools of the referee
-Teamwork in reffing

Conditions & Crowds:
-Spectator’s impact
-Foul weather
-Managing Confrontations
-Maintaining fairness and fluidity
-Aggressive players
-Unsporting conduct
-Tournament rules
-Reffing top tier games

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i ll come for free but will have the following request :

  • wont pay 20€ subscription
  • i ll run an hour long debrief on reffing for the past 15 years :
  • main ref at padova euro 2013 or 14 ( only 3 ref for the whole week end , until final phases)
  • head ref and supervisors of all 4 courts and ref rota + payments at montpellier worlds
  • head ref at fhbpc 2024

i will break down what i think is good procedure and what doesnt work , complete re-thinking of reffing staff at sanctioned tournaments ( i dont think paying them works better)
complete re thinking on the polo game ( restarts , body contacts , individual penalties , unsportmanship conduct, definition personal space of a player)

i ll need a projector

but you probably dont want me there.

you should also get jason or levin to set up a live stream of everything.

edit: il’ also need a basket ball, would like to show a few concept feom that game and play a quick 3v3 game of basket ball and a 5v5 with the other refs

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A live stream recording, if possible and for posterity, is an excellent suggestion IMO.

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You bring up some very interesting points about reffing in polo Benji.

I’ve been trying to formulate a “mission statement” for the camp. Currently it is beyond the scope of the camp to attempt to make drastic modifications to the reffing laws and how we apply them.

However, we do hope that we can discuss the future of reffing as a whole. Will we have a federation of certified Refs some day? Will it remain every polo player’s responsibility to ref games?

The subjects you want to talk about will be fitting into the discussions on communication, déontologie, and Fouls.

Remark that these presentations will create opportunities for every attendee to contribute their opinions and ideas.

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Here is a draft of the event schedule.
Please share your thoughts!

—20€ solo inscription
—18 places available + 6 presenters (0€ inscription)

Friday 16th of May 17h00
Pick-up games at the court

Saturday 17th May @ 8H00
—Presentations on Déontology, Team Referee S&E, and Communication.
In the afternoon
—Pedegogical reffing
3 rounds of 4v4, 18min (9 games total)

Sunday 18th of May@ 8h00
— Presentations on Time management,
Fouls, and Conditions and crowds.
In the afternoon
—Pedegogical reffing
2 rounds + final match. (7 games total)
—Final Exam!!:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

i rather work on some online content then maybe it will help you prepare the ref camp ! give me a phone call when u can

i would pay 20€ actually why not but just cant afford the time off next year

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benjicoco
if you are a “presenter” u don’t pay €€€€

bit evryone coming is a presenter :grinning: and willing to learn reffing so im happy to pay too for bordeaux hard work and food prepa

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