EHBPC 2025 @ Perpignan

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I’m uploading this in the name of Perpi Bikepolo since I’ll take care of the registration process :folded_hands:t4:

Hello everybody,

First of all, sorry for being late, but taking decision to organise EHBC25 with only few monthes, was not so easy :blush:

So we are pround to now officialy announce that the European Hardcourt Bikepolo Championship 2025 will take place in Perpignan (France) from the 4th of July to the 6th of July with 30 teams competing. The format will be Quads (aka 4v4 aka 3+1), with roughly 16-18 minute games, same as World Championships.

Please, if your team want to participate to EH and WH, fill the registration form will aims at getting an idea about how to distribute slots for this EHBPC and WHBPC. It will probably be hard without local qualifiers, so we will also use :

ranking at the 2024 EHBPC
Last nationals champs
participating (or not) to the 2025 WHBPC

To complete your pre-registration, at least 3 out of 4 players must be identified. The price will be between 100 and 120€ per team - information on payment methods will come later.

Important note: the decision to host the tournament was quite late. Perpignan Bike Polo agreed to host this year’s euros as long as it doesn’t impact its members too much in terms of invested time and energy. Therefore, within the club, we will not have as many volunteers and overall capacity as usually to manage logistics before, during and after the tournament. We count on all clubs to send as many people as possible to help. Together we can do it.
It’s about registration, slots allocation, communication, reffing, court building, sponsors, streaming, …..

beforehand with building the 3 courts (at least 6 people needed)
during the tournament by taking care of bike checking, reffing, calling out the teams, etc.

afterwards with gifts, trophies and dismantling the courts
We’ll take care of the car podium, bar, food and evenings.

Pre Registration for EHBPC:

To register as referee/volunteer: EHBPC 2K25 - referee/volunteer registration

If needed, please get in touch with us at perpignanbikepolo@gmail.com

Can’t wait to see you all!
Let’s do it :rocket:

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Until when is the pre-registration open?

Thanks Perpignan and others stepping up to make this happen!

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Hello, can we have some info that explains the price ?

I’ll be honest and I know I’m not the only one thinking this but for example FHBPC24 was really expensive for reasons I’m still trying to figure out. Yes some people “explained” it, yet I still feel like my money just paid stuff for the club.

At RBP, we don’t have to pay for the court and that’s a luck for us and the people we receive (although, we keep a close relationship with the city and are present at some events to be able to keep this court). We try to keep the registration fees as low as possible and we serve food for everyone though, both days because we feel like traveling from a distance can be expensive and people shouldn’t have to pay more to have meals for a tournament (breakfast and lunch at least, we even did a diner for the FIRE tournament and it was “only” 20€/player) especially a big tournament like EHBPC.

I don’t want a golden top cap nor a bag full of stuff I probably won’t use, I want to not have to run to a supermarket between games to buy food I’m sure could have been taking into account in my fees.

The rest of the money goes to buying balls for the tournaments and our training; fruits, coffee and tee, available for free all along the weekend during tournamens; fixing the goals; refs travel fees when they accept it (most of them refuse and that’s really nice of them), streaming and stuff like that. There are some small benefits we use to offer something better to the next tournaments like we did for the 10th edition of the Epiphanie or fixing stuff we break when partying in a bar.

i (we ?) need more transparency on this please. Not everyone can afford this. We’re talking about helping everyone feel safe and welcomed and that is a subject that matters. Money can be tough for some people and that sport shouldn’t be reserved to the ones with money.

And if all the money is just to build courts (and I feel like we’re buying new courts every year which I don’t get) then there are two options :

  1. I stop playing Bikepolo cause I’m poor and too bad for me but hey that’s my problem not yours.
  2. We look for solutions on this ? Like finding sponsors for this instead of filling a welcome bag maybe ?

Thank you
This is Max talking, not RBP.

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Hello Max,

First of all 100€ for 4 players teams is “only” 25€/players… and its for a 3 days tourney with 3 courts to build…

And the price is not decided yet, we just take the registration form from the worlds and tell a maximum price. We still need to discuss about that with the crew and other people who wants to help.

Perpignan always try to do cheap tourneys for the players so we will consider what you said to make a good price for everyone.

Regards

Tristan

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Thank you for your answer and for trying to do it as cheap as possible.

100€ is “only” 25 each but 120 was also a possibility in Levin’s first post. You’re talking about the courts but don’t they exist already? Perpignan organized a big tournament and Montpellier too. If we have to make (I’m talking about buying wood not assembly) them for every tournament, that’s an issue. First because it means it becomes waste and that we use it only for one tournament which is a real problem imo #ecoanxiety. Second because it’s expensive.

If that’s a storage issue, which I would understand, I still think we should figure something out.

Anyway, I feel like some tournaments just became more and more expensive and not always for good reasons nor good explanations. When I see some newbie that can’t go to tournament because of this, that hurts me (and I know the feeling) and I hope we would find good solutions about this.

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(This is going Off-Topic and I am aware that I am not helping)

I think it´s valid for Max to ask the question. I don´t know him as someone who would do so with bad intentions.

I also think it´s valid for a club to not charge the bare minimum amount required to finance a tournament but charge extra to be prepared for unexpected expenses and use leftover money for newbie days, loaner bikes, other club related stuff or to even finance a post-tournament get-together.

With that being said, I think you are off the mark with your phrasing, @Mega_shuffle .
This is just shutting someone down with harsh words.

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@MaxLeChef

  • perpignan siad that they are doing it as cheap as possible - I have no single reason to not believe them, if you think that there is something more to be done probably the best idea is to contact organisers directly or become volunteer there is even such a category “welcome pack” or something like this - I’m sure that making stuff cheaper is what everyone wants
  • if you are worried about way BP use/buy/store courts from ecologic and economic perspective probably it is not the best place to discuss it - there are many nuances, some of them are different from case to case - it won’t be solved here, it will just spam the thread

If it is important topic for you then there is no reason to shut you down, but I think that we should keep EHBC thread a bit more organised:

  1. If we have an idea that can help - let’s go directly to organisers
  2. if we want to start some side broader discussion - let’s create a side thread

P.S.
I was a student without a job and I was traveling a half of the Europe 24hours with 5 people in the car to play 2 games on Sunday in Rouen taking bags of food from Poland to make it cheaper. Don’t even get me started on someone not going to EHBC because fee is 30 instead of 20 :P

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Wow.. Ale… Maybe take some time to think when posting something like that. What happened to you ? I’m so sorry you feel that way. I’m sorry I offended you, that wasn’t the goal.

I was just asking a question cause some people talked about it and I though I could try to go public on this and see what would happen. Never have I said it should be like that or like this, only asked questions to have some transparency and if we could find ways to figure this out.

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Never said I didn’t trust them, I even thanked them ! Come on- guys, why are you all taking this like it was personal.. Ffs, I get it, I won’t use poloverse nor telegram to ask for whatever.

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But Max where I did say that you don’t trust them? If you think like I implied that, I am really sorry, that was not my intention.

From your posts it looks like you have some doubts how this or that can be done and you have some ideas. I just think that trying to bring these ideas to life is better than posting here questions - it will just bring side topics to a thread that should be more informative.

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Sorry, maybe I misunderstood what you said.

And I don’t agree with this. I think poloverse is the right place to discuss things because we can’t all be at many tournaments (that is the very point of my first question). And about “do rather than write”, I think we are doing at RBP and I especially expressed it with examples. Bringing food doesn’t cost much. And I feel like hearing every time “we have to build courts” is not a good answer since they have been already built.

Anyway, leaving this conversation now, I don’t feel welcome here.
Sorry for asking questions. Sad day for bike polo and freedom asking questions.

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You don’t agree and it is your right. It was not an order not a command - I don’t even have a smallest right to do so - it was my proposal. You got emotional. If someone doesn’t agree with you it doesn’t mean that one is taking your rights or freedom away from you. I even literally told that there is no reason to shut you down in anyway.

I am talking about myself. Me and Ale are not the same person.

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@Tristewn was diplomatic enough to reply and yet, his answer was not enough. Everyone can ask all the questions they like, just be aware that you are questioning the integrity of perhaps one of the most open and community-building clubs in the world, @MaxLeChef like it was nothing.

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I don’t quit this discussion because of you. I got emotional cause someone I know for a long time now and who I HAD respect for has been a total d*ck when “answering”. I don’t feel safe in here with people like that.

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Fair enough.

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it seems discussion should be wrapped up in this topic and reading it, i came to conclusion that:

  • transparency is important; it is important both within the club and outside, and especially when it comes to organising an international tournament. organisers are volunteers, yes, but that also means they offered themselves in the first place. and as much i have no reason not to believe anyone, but argument of “we are trying to make it cheap” etc. is a little vague imho. i know not much have been announced so far, meaning we will witness proving this statement later.

  • economy status; first of all, with all sympathy @pajac but you’re talking about being student = 12, 15 years ago? and your status both now and back then differs. because social and economic background for all of us differs. when you don’t have teammates in your city, costa are raising. as much as it has always been impressive for me with long car trips from poland to take and play, i also understand issues with having a travel companion, again both due to social and economic status.

  • integrity; the danger of club integrity due to some comments is at least questionable. this is just “if’s” - what if it actually says about the quality of this integrity? and many other ifs for both sides of argument.

personally i would be more anxious of joining the poloverse or even regular playing if i would have been polo beginner and seen an unpleasant discussion here. honestly, i still feel i am talking with “adults” due to the respect for all of you as players/refs/organisers i have. respect is good, but feeling intimidated? nah.

seeking a compromise after pouring my opinion, i say: a new topic is much needed for discussing issues and questions that people may yet have.

thanks for reading. ;)

edit:

not sure if we have actually received an answer to pre-registration deadline? ;)

and i am also grateful for doing the champs, thanks Perpignan Club (and others)!

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I completely second @metriod here!

I personally think it is a bit strange and kind of off to go in with such big criticism right away.

It‘s probably either them or no one, and you can just simply not go.

That said, the question itself is valid of course and props to @Tristewn for replying in civil manner.

Please let‘s all be civil like Tristan, so admins don‘t have to decide about what can stay here and what not <3 goes for everybody obviously

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Worlds 2023 was 120€ per team (40 teams, 4 courts). If that was ok (I don’t remember anybody complaining) then 100€ for 3 courts and ca. 30 teams does not seem disproportional for EHBC 2025. 25€ per person - can you even buy a mallet head for this amount? Besides, I trust that the money is mostly covering costs and is not wasted for anything stupid.

Let’s all calm down a little bit.

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Hello everyone

First or all I’m sorry if my first message was taken as an attack, it wasn’t the goal at all. I guess it was lost in translation. I’m sincerely sorry about that, never was I targeting Perpignan who by the way did an amazing job during the whbpc. I even thanked Tristan afterwards when he answered.

My question was just about transparency on the budget. If it was long, it was because I wanted to give all the info I could. I never said the price was too high, I just wanted to get some info on how it will be used and I feel like I can ask this. But maybe I’m wrong and if so, let me know (but explain why, don’t just say no or be mean).

Django, no one complained about whbpc you’re right, but some did for the FHBPC (I talked about it in my first post, you can find the discussion on telegram somewhere if you have time and courage). And I understand why, I was also a bit disappointed by the price at the time.

Remy, yes you’re right, we can simply not go but my whole point is this : some people can’t go and that’s sad because we’re trying to be a welcoming community. Let’s try to find solution on this the same way we try to be more welcoming to “minorities”.

Again, sorry for this first post on this thread. I may have been too quick on this and not been careful with my words. Also I think that for this kind of event, the fees should take the food in charge. There are good solutions that don’t need the people to cook but instead to find some other community to do it. We used to do it at RBP for years before we start cooking ourselves. And as soon as we were able to lower the price, we did.

If I offended some people, I apologize. If you know me, you know that’s not my way of doing things. If you don’t, I hope we’ll meet so you can see who I am. I just made public a conversation I had with some people.

Thank you perpi for organizing, this is the first thing I should have written.

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